Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:59 pm Post subject:
D.E.2k1 -- How to make a minelayer in TS
In DeeZire's forums Dark Elf 2001 asked how to make mine layers. Well, I've got one Idea, ut its not so bright -- for example:
create a unit -- [MINLR] -- , which deploys into a [MINE]. the [MINE] has FreeUnit=[MINLR]
Thats all yet. _________________ in 2009 to Florence. Viva Italia! QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:07 pm Post subject:
He said he did a Mine Layer...
Maybe we can make one too... You gonnna need 1 vehicle and one buiilding for the mine-layer and one building and vehicle for the mine.
The Mine-Layer will have no weapon. It will deploy into a building which uses the same image as him and this new building will free the mine unit.
The mine unit (also a vehicle) will have 1 of strength a scanner weapon (GuardRange=255) with very small range. It will need to deploy to fire. So, it will fastly deploy. The deployed mine will have a weapon with a similar range of a medic. The weapon will have an animation which should explode the own mine and any nearby unit. More info about making a weapon like that in EE's Modding Tutorials, check the one about Demo Truck. You don't need an airburst weapon for that. Last edited by Banshee on Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:38 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
The great minus of this "project" is that the mine layer will have unlimited ammo and will be able to make a wall of mines _________________ in 2009 to Florence. Viva Italia! QUICK_EDIT
Someone had an idea how to make limited, but non rechargeble ammo, but when ammo ends it earns some kind of a machinegun. I think it was Deezire
Maybe you should use a Grinder logic (YR). I know it is possible to make units exit Grinder, but how to make enter only mine layers (any) and exit only loaded mine layers? _________________ in 2009 to Florence. Viva Italia! QUICK_EDIT
I aslo have a different idea of making mine layer (but in YR only). Do you remember, brute was made from an anim? So, you could make a deploying vehicle. When it deploys it plays an animation which has MakeInfantry=0 (in artmd.ini). In rulesmd.ini you change AnimToInfantry=BRUTE to AnimToInfantry=MINE, for example. Make an infantry -- [MINE] with speed=0 and close range suicde weapon. Now you can make rechargeble limited ammo.
Same way I have tried to make an engineer deploy and build a sentry gun (like in Team Fortress, but mortar sentry). My artmd.ini coding here:
[MORTAR]
UIName=Name:MORTAR
Name=Auto-Mortar Sentry
Category=Soldier
Primary=Mortar
Prerequisite=GAPILE
CrushSound=InfantrySquish
Strength=125
Pip=white
OccupyPip=PersonYellow
Armor=flak
TechLevel=-1
Sight=6
Speed=0
Owner=British,French,Germans,Americans,Alliance
Cost=400
Soylent=400
Points=10
IsSelectableCombatant=yes
VoiceSelect=ChaosDroneSelect
VoiceMove=
VoiceAttack=ChaosDroneAttackCommand
VoiceFeedback=
VoiceSpecialAttack=ChaosDroneMove
DieSound=ChaosDroneDie
Locomotor={4A582744-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
PhysicalSize=1
MovementZone=Infantry
ThreatPosed=10 ; This value MUST be 0 for all building addons
ImmuneToVeins=yes
ImmuneToPsionics=yes
VeteranAbilities=STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF,SIGHT,FASTER
EliteAbilities=SELF_HEAL,STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF
Size=1
Crushable=yes
AllowedToStartInMultiplayer=no
The problem is in that mortar doesn't want to appear. When engineer deploys he only plays the animation -- MORTARMK -- and nothing more. Perhaps, to exist infantry must have minimum speed=1. Then that minelayer which I descripted above will not work.
But perhaps MakeInfantry just supports only one Infantry. _________________ in 2009 to Florence. Viva Italia! QUICK_EDIT
Vehicle has a deploy-weapon(think Mob EMP).
Weapon has radius of 1(or 0.5 cannot remember, has to be so it only fires directly underneath)
Weapon has ammo of 5, reload at Service Depot(or wherever)
Weapon has an invisible animation.
in art.ini, Animation has toOverlay=(an overlay you will make).
Overlay must be listed in rules.ini list(so add it)
Overlay must have weapon of a mine that you make, and have it range=0(so it is only over it), make it terrain=land(or whatever that piece of code is, I cannot remember right now)
With a bit of checking up on it, it should work.
That is about all there is to it. _________________ Dethro - Time for the Electric Chair! (Damn but it's good to be back!)
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Screw a minelayer, thats ancient Technology that belongs with RA1, just take the Limpet drone, set it up to detonate when an enemy unit drives or walks over it. if its possible??? QUICK_EDIT
If you'll make a minelayer with DeployTo=building, and this building wil have FreeUnit=minelayer, every time it drops a mine, it will restore its health _________________ in 2009 to Florence. Viva Italia! QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:31 pm Post subject:
true point, Big Jah....
The best way is Dark Elf´s way that he pointed how which prevents this kind of thing...
Quote:
Vehicle has a deploy-weapon(think Mob EMP).
Weapon has radius of 1(or 0.5 cannot remember, has to be so it only fires directly underneath)
Weapon has ammo of 5, reload at Service Depot(or wherever)
Weapon has an invisible animation.
in art.ini, Animation has toOverlay=(an overlay you will make).
Overlay must be listed in rules.ini list(so add it)
Overlay must have weapon of a mine that you make, and have it range=0(so it is only over it), make it terrain=land(or whatever that piece of code is, I cannot remember right now)
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2003 8:12 pm Post subject:
What I did...
I used the deployed limpet graphic as a clone. it was built at the repair pad and had to be airlifted by a caryall into position where it cloaked and would deploy then detonate when somebody walked up to it.
if you could make it an infantry unit though, with no movement you could load several into a minelayer, unload them where you want them and they would deploy/explode to attack... not bad.
And thinking about it, if you made ti so you can stun the unit before it deploys with EMP an engineer could "defuse" the mines with a special weapon maybe? QUICK_EDIT
The best way is Dark Elf´s way that he pointed how which prevents this kind of thing...
Quote:
Vehicle has a deploy-weapon(think Mob EMP).
Weapon has radius of 1(or 0.5 cannot remember, has to be so it only fires directly underneath)
Weapon has ammo of 5, reload at Service Depot(or wherever)
Weapon has an invisible animation.
in art.ini, Animation has toOverlay=(an overlay you will make).
Overlay must be listed in rules.ini list(so add it)
Overlay must have weapon of a mine that you make, and have it range=0(so it is only over it), make it terrain=land(or whatever that piece of code is, I cannot remember right now)
Would this, by any chance.............work? Any drawbacks? _________________ Over and out,
~FinalMoon QUICK_EDIT
make a unit that deploys into a building and gives a free unit
this free unit will be (Minelayer2) and the building will be the mine
this will continue until it reaches minelayer5 (or watver u want) with each building (mine) giving a different unit (minelayer1 2 3 etc)
minelayer5 will be special as it will be unable to deploy but will use the Mobile EMP charge logic and will take a while to charge (you can specify) when its charge, it changes int (minelayer) the one before minelayer1 and the whole system startes over again
Problems: Mine will be proximity, in RA2 u can make it so they are not but it uses the tag
Firestormwallsection=true (or something like that)
as firestorm defence logic doesnt exsist in RA2 its ok and simply allows a unit to tred over the mine
however in TS is will un-doubtly have problems
Secondly (reason its not in TSR) it looks utterly stupid when the minelayer deploys as it appears in a tottaly different near by cell, on top of this if its surrounded by units or buildings it will just disappear
So IMO if this cant be improved its a stupid idea
however TS has the advantage of the Mobile EMP logic thing, which RA2 does not have, however due to lack of modders compared to RA2 no one has even tried (or thought of this) before.
i came up with the mobile emp logic when thinking of adding the unit to TSR a long time back but it will not be included as such for the reason stated
Possible solutions
1.Make the mine a bib (doubt it will make the freeunit appear right) but may allow units to drive over it hence no need for proximity _________________ QUICK_EDIT
You're forgetting the main problem, SMIFF. Every time it deploys it automaticly heals itself. I view that bug to outweigh the desired effect... Anyway, I was asking if Dark Elf's solution would work. _________________ Over and out,
~FinalMoon QUICK_EDIT
Oh but we are needing a TS one, but anyway I think someone mentioned scrapped MInlayer, we are in TS, we can always create something more futuristic mine stuff... Dunno where to start but I think the Limpet Mine could be worth looking at.. i rarely open firestrm.ini so i dont really know much.. _________________ ::TSR Home-Grown Vxl Maker::
i remember in Red Alert 2 Deezire the is a minelayer
Hmmmmm, but you do know this is the TS forum right? Try asking over in the RA2 boards, they might be able to help you. _________________ Over and out,
~FinalMoon QUICK_EDIT
Secondly (reason its not in TSR) it looks utterly stupid when the minelayer deploys as it appears in a tottaly different near by cell
Doesn't giving the minelayer a line such as ticktank=yes fix that? I think I used that when I ported the Mob Stealth Gen from Firestorm to TS and I had the same problem, putting that line in fixed it if i remember. QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, there might be a problem with free units, but i think it does fix the "unit deploying in one cell but appearing in another cell" problem. QUICK_EDIT
Heh. I posted this so long ago, I can hardly even remember. AFAIK, it worked, but then again, my brain isn't always the best. In theory, it should work. _________________ Dethro - Time for the Electric Chair! (Damn but it's good to be back!)
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I got an idea about this topic, what if you made the bulding that the minelayer deploys into makes a unit that acts like a mine by haveing a selfdistructing wepon? _________________ evil is good QUICK_EDIT
so it actually creates mine units every time it deploys. yeah that would be possible but it wouldn't make sense cuz you could also buy the mines individually. QUICK_EDIT
is it possible to give overlay a weapon? I HIGHLY doubt that. In fact, I'm 99% sure it won't work. it's not veins, you know.
Could the overlay be treated as something similar to a vein? For instance, when something goes over it, it's triggered into an explosion instead of the vein animation? QUICK_EDIT
sorry to dig up such an old toppic ; but can't you do this : make the minelayer act like a deployable unit, when it deploys,gives a free unit(=Mine) and to limit the mines : ammo=5
then something like : dock=DEPOT (to achieve it reloads ,like an aircrafts docks a helipad
and the for the mine ; give it speed 9999999999 ,so it won't move, and let it explode when an enemy enters a certain radius, and give it the explodes= tag QUICK_EDIT
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D.E.2k1 -- How to make a minelayer in TS
is it possible to give overlay a weapon? I HIGHLY doubt that. In fact, I'm 99% sure it won't work. it's not veins, you know.
