About crates: I'd rather remake all that stuff because powerups system is messy and ztyped up.
There should be an expansion for it:
These should all be side-specific if made to be so.
1.Spawn custom or random units of any Type(or specific if given)
2. Give custom superweapons
3.Spawn any tiberium
4.Fill harvesters with ore? Actually, it would be nice to have like separate fuel crates appearing, Weeder=yes coolects them and dumps to make some missile. Would be nice IMO
5. Custom crate types(How crate looks, what can collect them, etc.)
And so on, so on, so on.
What exactly is messy and ztyped up about the powerups?
What do you mean with sidespecific? How should a global on the map spawned crate belong to Soviet or Allies? You want a logo on the crate? You want other houses not being able to pick them up if the crate isn't matching their house?
Doesn't sound like you thought-out that very well.
1. works. Use CrateGoodie=yes/no on the units. Oh and crate units only spawn for your house already. A soviet player can't get a prism tank as crate goodie.
2. has nothing to do with messy powerups, just an expansion of the powerups as a result of an Ares expansion.
3. I can even do this in TS. Any tiberium in any fieldsize, no problem to spawn via a crate. It's called modding.
4. fill with what? My gem collecting harv suddenly filled with ore? sounds stupid and rather useless. Weeder logic is something completely different.
5. Different crate images can be done. DTA has already different crates and that is in TS. Again called modding.
So far nothing groundbreaking new or really necessary i see there. Maybe hidden in the "so on, so on" but for that some more infos would be useful. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:14 pm Post subject:
Well, about messiness:
1. You can't create more crates
2. You have a bunch of usused crates that default to mones
3. IsGrateGoodie gives you a random unit. What if I want the soviets always get HTNK or TTNK and have Russians always get only TTNK? Or what If I want a bunch of units like 3 E2s and 3 FLAKTs? Huh?
3. The main purpose of filling woth ore(any tiberium) is letting you suddenly get a buff like your harv goes tocollect ore and it gets filled with very expensive ore. For the weeder, it uses sture too. So filling it some radioactive stuff("weeds", actually it can be different stuff; i believe waste facilities can take absorbed units ) for a nuke to work. _________________
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Crates are complex. I won't change anything regarding them for 0.7.
Note on ProjectileRange: I made a mistake and didn't convert the value to leptons. So, if you want 2 cells, you have to use a value of 512 for now. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
That actually makes it pretty easy for a precise range, thanks for the reply.
EDIT: It still doesn't seem to be working, even at 1024 it still only splits on hit.
Drop Pod defaults are working perfectly as well. _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:22 pm Post subject:
PillBox20 wrote:
But just one question. Aa... what about the Bounty Logic? How is it going with it?
Missed the question in all these posts of feature requests (with most of them being useless).
I have a recent habit (a year old, maybe) of overloading myself with work. As the assistant headmaster in my uni stated on the other day "Graion is doing everything one can imagine" (like counting votes on our election last Sunday, organizing a promotion event as an amateur poet for the Hungarian Poetry Day at next Friday by spreading poems on the city's main square, working in the village's community centre 20 hours per week, doing uni {and atm heavily failing on a course of it}, doing diploma thesis, etc. etc.) I already get RL criticques for not parcipating in uni projects neither (I have no time to consume except some random 10-20 minutes every 2 day)
Back to your question, Bounty's code ended up broken during an update to 0.5 codebase and it seems I have to upgrade the working branch manually (which I decided to do that upon 0.6 codebase after that, because that turned out at late 0.5 dev process) which will gonna take some time. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:46 am Post subject:
BTW Ice would be a neat addition and would make arctic/snow maps much more fun. _________________
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Ha-ha. No place there for the apocalypse. Imagine if the siege chopper lands on ice. What about the ships? Will there be a need for a new tag for IceCruisers to brake ice?
I think that it will be very cool, but also not that easy to imput.
Weren't you working on adding Veins? Ice could be simulated with a Veins clone.
It's just a growing Overlay with
WaterBound=yes ;grow only on water
Land=Ice ;make it passable
Wall=yes ;make it destroyable and have damagestages
;Crushable=yes ;if this could be restricted to VehicleTypes with SpeedType=float only, then you have your IceBreaker as well
e.g.
CrushableBySpeedType=float
CrushableByWeight=3.0 ;anything above this will crush it (so heavy vehicles will break through)
Maybe when/if you add Veins, you could keep the above mentioned possibility open to be implemented.
But then again, a lot of the cool changing environment features of TS are missing in RA2 and adding only the ice might not be worth it. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject:
Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
Oh and crate units only spawn for your house already. A soviet player can't get a prism tank as crate goodie.
Is this true? From what I know in YR or even normal RA2 I can often get a Battle Fortress as Yuri or Soviet, or a V3 as Allied or Yuri...
By the way since people are talking about Splits and ProjectileRange, I just think one more thing could be usefull here;
A option to make it split after a X number of frames.
Something like that would be useful if someone might want to use Splits on something like Anti-Aircraft or on helicopter weapons, where in some cases the projectiles might not travel many cells before reaching the target.
Just a example to explain better what I mean:
If Projectile Range is 5, but frame time is to 10, it will split when its both beyond 5 cells, and 10 frames have passed.
Like this if Projectile range was 0, but frame time was 5, it would always split after 5 frames, and if frame time was 0 but projectile range was 6, it would always split after 6 cells.
Just leaving idea, don't know if this is any new or useful/needed. QUICK_EDIT
Range also takes height into account, a short range AA weapon wont be able to hit a high altitude aircraft etc. So an AA splits weapon should work without the need for new tags. _________________
Ice is more like growing overlay. It affects pathfinding, which changes when it grows or breaks. It can connect previously unconnected areas. TS implemented it as a dedicated algorithm not related to Tiberium or veins. It had (past. it's gone.) a list of timers that made cracked ice become solid again, as well as many more functions to actually break the ice and update the pathfinding. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
ProjectileRange should work now, it's not leptons any more, but cells. That means you can use value like for CellSpread, Range, MinimumRange.
Customizable campaign and multiplayer score screens
The campaign score screen consists of four elements, a background, a transition piece, an animation, and a palette file for all three.
[Side]CampaignScore.Background= (shp filename, including extension)
A 632x568 image used as the background. Uses the palette defined as CampaignScore.Palette. Defaults to ASCRBKMD.SHP, SSCRBKMD.SHP or SYCRBKMD.SHP for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
[Side]CampaignScore.Transition= (shp filename, including extension)
An image used as a transition from the looping animation to the statc background image. Played backwards for the opposite case. Uses the palette defined as CampaignScore.Palette. Defaults to ASCRTMD.SHP, SSCRTMD.SHP or SYCRTMD.SHP for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
[Side]CampaignScore.Animation= (shp filename, including extension)
An image played as a loop after the introductory transition until the dialog is closed. The exact looping point is not known. Uses the palette defined as CampaignScore.Palette. Defaults to ASCRAMD.SHP, SSCRAMD.SHP or SYCRAMD.SHP for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
[Side]CampaignScore.Palette= (pal filename, including extension)
The palette to draw all animations on the campaign score screen. Defaults to ASCORE.PAL, SSCORE.PAL or YSCORE.PAL for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
The multiplayer score screen consists of a background drawn with a special palette, and ten pcx bar images.
[Side]MultiplayerScore.Background= (shp filename, including extension)
A 632x568 image used as the background. Uses the palette defined as CampaignScore.Palette. Defaults to MPASCRNL.SHP, MPSSCRNL.SHP or MPYSCRNL.SHP for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
[Side]MultiplayerScore.Palette= (pal filename, including extension)
The palette to draw the bckground of the multiplay score screen. Defaults to MPASCRN.PAL, MPSSCRN.PAL or MPYSCRN.PAL for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively.
[Side]MultiplayerScore.Bars= (pcx filename, including extension)
The filename used as a pattern for the ten bars of 440x36 on the multiplayer score screen, two captions and up to eight players. Can contain ~~, which are replaced with a number from 01 to 10. Defaults to mpascrnlbar~~.pcx, mpsscrnlbar~~.pcx or mpyscrnlbar~~.pcx for sides 1, 2 and all others respectively. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Well, my quick test trying projectilerange on split weapon still yields no result making the midair split unfortunately.
It is supposed to go to the launching weapon right like FS ?
You haven't by chance have it apply to the airburstweapon mistakenly instead of launcher weapon Alex?
Code:
[SplitLauncher]
Damage=1
ROF=50
Range=13
Projectile=LauncherProj
Speed=50
Warhead=HE
Report=SeawolfAttack
ProjectileRange=2 ;gah..this should work but alas...
[LauncherProj]
Cluster=10
AA=yes
AG=yes
Splits=yes
ROT=100
AirburstWeapon=MissileSplits
RetargetAccuracy=1%
Image=DRAGON
SubjectToCliffs=no
SubjectToElevation=no
SubjectToWalls=no
ProjectileRange=2 ;doesnt work here either...
ProjectileRange= goes on the weapon. I think you are missing Ranged=yes on the first missile stage's Projectile, LauncherProj. That should be enough to make the projectile split properly.
edit: When I find the time, I'll update the ModEnc pages regarding this. I encourage you all to put knowledge there. Edit the bugs out, correct typos, replace DeeZire definitions with new stylish pages. It could help others to look up the meaning of certain tags or of whole features. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:50 pm Post subject:
You have a typo there. You said that MultiplayerScore.Background= uses palette from SingleplayerScore.Background= but cool otherwise! _________________
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:45 pm Post subject:
The fixed splits logic is extremely interesting. Works on ballistic weapons, as well as missiles. Could be quite visually impressive if custom FlakScatter was possible.
Code:
[227mmRocket]
ProjectileRange=15 ;weapon range is 18
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What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
that vehicle storm reminds me of a whimsy with magnetrons being able to launch their prey, pretty much like HL2/Portal Gravity Guns. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject:
P.S. How to make those fancy gif animations that show some game action? _________________
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What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
Could be quite visually impressive if custom FlakScatter was possible.
I've done this work.
For Alex:
To get customized FlakScatter, add ScatterRadius field in BulletTypeExt's definition, set its initial value as RulesClass::Instance->BallisticScatter and use this hook:
Sorry for going off-topic. But. Can Ranged or ProjectileRage to be used to fix over-stretching beam bug? It happens when attacked victim runs away from attacker.
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Inviso=yes projectiles skip most of the projectile stuff and just detonate at the target, so i don't think it's related in any way at all. More likely it's the beam itself that's faulty. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:30 am Post subject:
Integrated CnCNet in Ares? That would be very useful. A listbox with TCP/IP support, UDP/IPX and CnCNet
BTW how about fixing the battle "bottom bar" when it is closed? It's missing a piece of it's texture.
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
Three days of silence. How comfortable. As some have already noticed, there's a new binary that fixes stuff, and some new tags that enable the old stuff again, because both ways can be useful.
Customizable target area for Splits and Airburst
[Projectile]AroundTarget= (boolean, defaults to Splits)
Whether a projectile with Splits=yes or Airburst=yes should use the area around the original target to look for new targets for each cluster. If enabled, the clusters will continue their way to the originally intended target. Otherwise, the clusters will use the area where the projectile split up.
The default is what TS did.
BallisticScatter for Projectiles
[Projectile]BallisticScatter.Min= (float - cell range, defaults to [CombatDamage]BallisticScatter / 2 if FlakScatter=no or Invisible=yes, to 0 otherwise)
The minimum range in cells a projectile can scatter. Requires Inaccurate=yes and Arcing=yes.
[Projectile]BallisticScatter.Max= (float - cell range, defaults to [CombatDamage]BallisticScatter)
The maximum range in cells a projectile can scatter. Requires Inaccurate=yes and Arcing=yes.
There is one more place BallisticScatter is used. This one is not hooked yet and still scatters from 0 to 2*BallisticScatter for FlakScatter=yes Inviso=yes (both) projectiles.
EVA-251: Neither FlakScatter nor BallisticScatter are considered for Splits. Or do you mean the 7x7 target area for Splits=yes projectiles?
secondwtq: Thanks for providing the code. I couldn't use it like that and had to come up with my own, because with two tags it's much more flexible and there was more than one location that needed to be hooked for this anyhow.
Gangster: That sounds like a completely different issue.
Glukv48: I don't like to commit to something I have no idea where it is heading, what it is requiring and how often it will need to be updated. Tying Ares 0.x to a specific CnCNet version does not sound like a good idea to me, because it entangles two things without need. A new dll for this might be better. It wouldn't have to wait for Ares releases, would contain everything needed for CnCNet and it would have independent versioning. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
A new dll for this might be better. It wouldn't have to wait for Ares releases, would contain everything needed for CnCNet and it would have independent versioning.
Yes. I fully support you in this. Here it is necessary to organize contacts and collaboration with Iran and HiFi (Someone should take the first cooperation.) To create an software interaction. QUICK_EDIT
The inaccurate arcing projectile doesn't scatter around originals target point. It scatters around a point in front of the target. You can just set BallisticScatter=0 and see the result.
Is there anyway to change this?
Inaccutate Inviso projectile doesn't have this problem. Last edited by RehteA on Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:26 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:48 am Post subject:
Alex, I meant the actual projectiles that split. In my sample image, the artillery rockets. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Very useful adds...but I have an request and this has come up before I recall in forums but added blueprint now tho.
I have an damaging shield generator field using simple anim damage but it looks dumb that it won't damage the air units within its radius so some warhead control for special cases to affect air layers using cellspread would be most useful.
Also AttachEffect.Powered= for buildings would fix one bug for me QUICK_EDIT
Yay for BallisticScatter, now infantry grenades don't have to be thrown like battleship shells ^_^
Edit: Can confirm what RehteA said, Inaccurate weapons without a CellSpread don't work. CellSpread needs to be 0.5 or higher for it to reliably do any damage. 0.2 worked but only when the target was moving & it got a lucky shot etc. _________________
RehteA: I'll look into it. The logic is more complex than what i described. If the target is moving, the targeting is different. If the target is in air, the bullet will detonate when close.
EVA-251: That should work. The initial missile stage does support scatter.
ApolloTD: I'll see whether I can come up with something.
MigEater: Isn't that exactly what one would expect? A non-CellSpread weapon damages a point, not an area. if it's Inaccurate, it might not hit the target, thus can't damage it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I have an damaging shield generator field using simple anim damage but it looks dumb that it won't damage the air units within its radius so some warhead control for special cases to affect air layers using cellspread would be most useful.
AlexB wrote:
ApolloTD: I'll see whether I can come up with something.
What do you think about CellSpread=Custom ?
for example:
CellSpread=Custom
CellSpread.Type=Cylinder (Possible values: Sphere, Cylinder, Cube)
CellSpread.XYZ=3,20.1,3 (Deformation shapes)
Damage will be distributed Cylinder radius of 3 and a height of 20. I would be interested in such a possibility. But I suspect that this will be a complex job. QUICK_EDIT
I have an damaging shield generator field using simple anim damage but it looks dumb that it won't damage the air units within its radius so some warhead control for special cases to affect air layers using cellspread would be most useful.
AlexB wrote:
ApolloTD: I'll see whether I can come up with something.
What do you think about CellSpread=Custom ?
for example:
CellSpread=Custom
CellSpread.Type=Cylinder (Possible values: Sphere, Cylinder, Cube)
CellSpread.XYZ=3,20.1,3 (Deformation shapes)
Damage will be distributed Cylinder radius of 3 and a height of 20. I would be interested in such a possibility. But I suspect that this will be a complex job.
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No overly complex solution for simple problems, but we could talk about a tag that defines the height above which aircraft is affected (or something like that). _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I would like to have the opportunity to do damage to the cylindrical shape. For the ion gun. I want to have a radius of 3 and a height of 20. In fact, it is a trifle for me, but I would be happy if it was possible. QUICK_EDIT
to chime in, thinking of "bullet hell" effects and if they would be possible in some ways? Or projectile slowing effects? _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
Not sure we need entire new custom shapes for cellspread that badly, just something like Warhead.Height= combined with cellspread is sufficient.
Alternatively augment Cellspread like CellSpread=5,20 where first value is normal and second is height, if height not given defaults to normal.
Some example values would be good to show how to achieve C&C Generals like behaviour where air is equally far affected as per surface cellspread.
'bullet hell' I presume you want lots of tracer lines and such? linetrailers are only viable for it along projectile lines and fast flying speeds but else there isn't much good ways unless Ares provides some new
Multiple firing offset system (multiple sources) to burst weapons from in turns.
Slowing projectiles would slow down damage dealing so the target may escape much easier the bullet rain however while achieving visual so that may not be best idea. QUICK_EDIT
MigEater: Isn't that exactly what one would expect?
Setting BallisticScatter.Min/Max=0 makes it always hit the same point/unit but it wont do any damage unless the weapon also has a CellSpread. I'm not really complaining about this as you can just use a low CellSpread to fix it, just thought it might be worth mentioning in the documentation etc. _________________
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) for a nuke to work.
Good day to you!
You haven't by chance have it apply to the airburstweapon mistakenly instead of launcher weapon Alex?
